Second Thoughts

[BlickUSA]

I had my 2020 Tacoma stolen in San Diego so I’m suddenly in the market for a new truck.
I have a good offer from a family friend but after seeing all the issues on the is forum I’m starting to have second thoughts about switching to RAM…
I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease but man are there a lot of upset people here.
Looking for some honest insight here as I am a MOPAR virgin.

 

[MattH89]

I'd recommend scrolling down a bit. We've done this therapy thread enough times and the feedback isn't going to be specific to you.

Basically it boils down to: sometimes vehicles have problems. You may end up being one of the unlucky ones, no way to know ahead of time.

 

[RDRHINO]

I had my 2020 Tacoma stolen in San Diego so I’m suddenly in the market for a new truck.
I have a good offer from a family friend but after seeing all the issues on the is forum I’m starting to have second thoughts about switching to RAM…
I know the squeaky wheel gets the grease but man are there a lot of upset people here.
Looking for some honest insight here as I am a MOPAR virgin.

I've had three previous Rams ranging from 2014-2019. Didn't have problems with any of those three. In 2021 I traded in my 2019 Laramie 4x4 for a 2021 GMC Sierra AT4 6.2L with 4k on the clock. I had zero issues with it and put about 53k on it before getting the itch and traded it in last year for a 2024 Sierra AT4X 6.2L. A month ago at just under 22k miles it decided to spin a rod bearing, completely locking up the engine. This is a known problem with that particular engine (GM L87) and there is currently an open federal investigation by the NHTSA that potentially affects nearly 900k 2019-2024 vehicles. A week prior to my failure I was singing praises about my truck having had zero issues since I bought it with 7 miles on it. Now I drive a 2025 RHO Lvl 1.

My wife drives a 2023 Yukon AT4 5.3L with about 54k on the clock. In February we paid $1200 to have one of the power sidestep motors replaced. In march we paid $1800 to have a single injector replaced (14 hours of labor charges involved and not covered under the 5 yr/60k powertrain warranty). A couple weeks ago it was another $300 to have the rear washer nozzle reconnected in the roof and she just picked it up yesterday morning for the same failure. We have also had issues (under warranty) with the gauge cluster going blank, turn signals not working and a few other things.

I am no longer a GM fan to say the least. But my point is that vehicles these days are unfortunately suffering more failures these days than they did a decade or so ago. Blame it on technology, blame it on cheaply made parts produced in other countries, blame it on the EPA for constantly requiring more to "save the environment", blame it on automakers for pandering to the eco-warriors.....there just isn't any certainty in the automotive world at present. Even Toyota is having problems with the Tundra motors failing lately. So honestly it's really a crapshoot no matter what vehicle you buy right now. I know that probably doesn't help make your decision any easier but it sadly enough IS the state of the union for now.

 

[RHOfan]

This is from my Ram dealer service department:

So many supply chains were disrupted during COVID, you have new, inexperienced vendors building new, unproven component designs…it’s a recipe for trouble.

You’ve seen RHO issues on this forum.

I have neighbors with new Raptors. Both have experienced electronics issues. One can’t be fixed & they are living with it. Too many miles to Lemon Law it.

Most car manufacturers ”farm out” certain components, like electronics, to save $$.

At this point in time, your best bet is to stick with a manufacturer who makes most of their components in-house or has legacy suppliers who did not go bankrupt during COVID.

 

[tjcook2113]

This is from my Ram dealer service department:

So many supply chains were disrupted during COVID, you have new, inexperienced vendors building new, unproven component designs…it’s a recipe for trouble.

You’ve seen RHO issues on this forum.

I have neighbors with new Raptors. Both have experienced electronics issues. One can’t be fixed & they are living with it. Too many miles to Lemon Law it.

Most car manufacturers ”farm out” certain components, like electronics, to save $$.

At this point in time, your best bet is to stick with a manufacturer who makes most of their components in-house or has legacy suppliers who did not go bankrupt during COVID.

What manufacturers meet that criteria, of making most of their components in-house or having legacy suppliers?

 

[RDRHINO]

What manufacturers meet that criteria, of making most of their components in-house or having legacy suppliers?

None of the American brands.....

 

[NWI_Truck]

Tundra Engines are grenading themselves. 6.2L GM Engines are grenading themselves. I had a Gen3 raptor previously riddled with issues ranging from electrical to qc problems. Pick your poison. When looking at forums overall, more people with issues are going to bring them up than people who are not having any. Knock on wood my RHO has been great so far, its an awesome truck from the tech, driving, performance, and looks. I don't regret it at all.