Weird feeling suspension

[itsmekylep]

IMO the shock and spring combo is “off”. If you choose to relax the shock settings, it doesn’t control the spring in a proper way. Too much rebound; bouncy effect. I’m curious if eibach or equal will offer a new spring that better fits the operating window of these shocks. I’m also curious how these Bilstien feel when you rebuild them.

I thought Eibach offers just spring replacements?

 

[Scottie2Hottie]

I thought Eibach offers just spring replacements?

My understanding is Eibach was selling the same as what they made for the TRX. I read Bilstein made some changes on the RHO shocks.

 

[itsmekylep]

My understanding is Eibach was selling the same as what they made for the TRX. I read Bilstein made some changes on the RHO shocks.

Oh ya that’s right.

 

[eltaco]

I guess I don’t know for sure, but doesn’t seem to be a spring issue. Of course a lift spring is going to tighten things up a bit, but also there’s a pretty noticeable change after playing around with the various suspension modes. Rebound control with Sport mode is probably what I was most used to in my leveled Laramie, but still less jarring than I’d been accustomed to. I’m sort of learning to love the floaty feel of Street mode, though.

I noticed there is also a Tow mode that I haven’t tried yet. I don’t tow trailers, so I’d just bypassed it. Does anyone know - is that just somewhere in between sport and street, or does it have any different characteristics?

 

[cpgeorge25]

Yeah, I feel like it bottoms up and hits hard sometimes. That’s on top of the bouncing.

I was planning on asking the dealer but I guess I’ll get the same look. Sucks because we might have to end up with some Icon or King once they make them to replace the crap they put on this truck. Hate to pay $85K ++ and have to spend another $10K for a suspension worth the truck.

Coming from a 23 Raptor, seeing all the TRX videos and watching the RHO’s jumping, I expected the suspension to be more dialed in. In baja and street, my suspension bottomed out hard on a large speed hump that my Raptor went over smoothly. I took mine to the dealer and they said all is ok. Then I pulled in to my work where there is a dip and the front suspension bottomed out even harder. I can do the same dip in my explorer with no issue. The RHO is like a cadi in Street mode but in Baja it bounces like Uncle Bucks car. The only mode that seems to be dialed in is sport mode. Then I can the suspension firm up and take corners fairly flat

 

[Dark Knight G45]

Coming from a 23 Raptor, seeing all the TRX videos and watching the RHO’s jumping, I expected the suspension to be more dialed in. In baja and street, my suspension bottomed out hard on a large speed hump that my Raptor went over smoothly. I took mine to the dealer and they said all is ok. Then I pulled in to my work where there is a dip and the front suspension bottomed out even harder. I can do the same dip in my explorer with no issue. The RHO is like a cadi in Street mode but in Baja it bounces like Uncle Bucks car. The only mode that seems to be dialed in is sport mode. Then I can the suspension firm up and take corners fairly flat

Yes I found the best thing to do is set your custom mode or Auto mode to Sport suspension setting. Sport is really best suited for street roads (moreso than Street mode)

 

[Attakracer]

IMO the shock and spring combo is “off”. If you choose to relax the shock settings, it doesn’t control the spring in a proper way. Too much rebound; bouncy effect. I’m curious if eibach or equal will offer a new spring that better fits the operating window of these shocks. I’m also curious how these Bilstien feel when you rebuild them.

I thought somebody posted on here that the Eibach 1.6 leveling spring fixed the "bouncy" ??!?!?!?!

 

[D&Sadventure]

I thought somebody posted on here that the Eibach 1.6 leveling spring fixed the "bouncy" ??!?!?!?!

Different spring rate is a Band-Aid. It’s a trade-off bouncy feeling is not caused by defective week or incorrect spring rate. Bouncy is caused by incorrect shock, valving or incorrect setting on live valve shocks

 

[eltaco]

I just drove a few street miles in tow suspension mode and my initial feeling is that it controls rebound better than street mode. Feels more planted. I’ll need some more time to compare the exact same roads with the different modes, though.

Is there anywhere that explains the technical differences between the suspension selections? I figured there would be some on-screen explanation, but I’ve either missed it or this information is lacking. I also didn’t see much info in the user manual. It would be great to look at a chart that indicates compression, rebound, etc settings for each mode.

Last thought - on TRX is there any programmer like Tazer that allows a user to adjust these settings manually? All of this tech is cool, but really makes me wish I had better control over these adjustments to customize to my liking.

 

[Eighty]

Is there anywhere that explains the technical differences between the suspension selections? I figured there would be some on-screen explanation, but I’ve either missed it or this information is lacking. I also didn’t see much info in the user manual. It would be great to look at a chart that indicates compression, rebound, etc settings for each mode.

The TRX supplement has this to say. Not sure if there's a RHO supplement.

Selecting “Sport” on the touchscreen will activate the configuration for typical enthusiast driving. The Transmission, Stability Control, Steering, and Suspension systems are all set to their Sport settings highlighted in red. The paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: Sport Mode is not available if the transfer case is in 4WD LOW.

Selecting “Tow” on the touchscreen will activate the configuration for towing a trailer or hauling heavy loads in the cargo area. Once in this mode, trailer sway control is enabled in the Electronic Stability Control (ESC) system. The Transmission is set to Tow, Stability Control is set to Full, Steering is set to Street, and Suspension is set to Sport. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Snow” on the touchscreen will activate Snow Mode for use on loose traction surfaces. When in Snow Mode (depending on certain operating conditions), the transmission will shift earlier than in other modes, which will keep wheel torque low to minimize wheel slippage. The Transmission is set to Snow, Stability Control is set to Full, and Steering and Suspension are set to Street. Paddle shifters are defaulted to “On” but are configurable.

Auto Mode is enabled upon ignition ON while in 4WD AUTO or 4WD HIGH or by selecting “Auto” on the touchscreen. The Transmission, Stability Control, Suspension, and Steering are all set to Street. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Mud/Sand” on the touchscreen will activate Mud/Sand Mode for use on mud and sand-like conditions. Transmission is set to Sport, Stability is set to Sport, Suspension is set to Baja, and Steering is set to Rock. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Rock” on the touchscreen will activate Rock Mode for use on rocky surfaces. Transmission and Stability are set to Sport. Steering it set to Rock. Suspension is set to Baja. Paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: The vehicle must be in 4WD LOW to access Rock Mode.

Selecting “Baja” on the touchscreen will activate Baja Mode for high-speed off-road driving. Transmission, Suspension, and Stability are set to Baja. Steering is set to Sport. Paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: Baja Mode is not available in 4WD LOW.

Custom Mode may be selected by pressing the Custom button on the touchscreen or by pushing the TRX button twice within two seconds. Custom
Mode allows you to create a custom configuration that is saved for quick selection of your favorite settings. While in Custom Mode, the Transmission, Paddles, Steering, Stability, and Suspension settings are shown in their current configuration. While on the Custom Mode screen, press the Custom Setup button on the touchscreen to access the set-up page options. Select which mode suits your driving needs for a custom driving experience.

Transmission
 Sport: Faster shift speeds with some comfort trade-off.
 Tow: Optimizes shifting for towing and hauling.
 Snow: Optimizes shifting for low-traction conditions.
 Street: A balance of shift speed and comfort for typical daily driving.
 Baja: Performs aggressive shifting for off-road performance.
 Rock: Optimized shifting for traversing rocky terrain.

Stability Control
 Sport: Provides reduced stability control.
 Street: Provides full (default) stability control.
 Full: Provides traction control and stability control optimized for slippery conditions.
 Baja: Optimizes the Anti-Brake System (ABS), traction control, and stability control for high-speed off-road driving.
 Rock: Optimizes traction control for low-speed off-road driving/crawling.

Suspension
 Sport: Provides a firmer suspension stiffness with moderate comfort trade-off.
 Street: Provides a balance of suspension stiffness and ride comfort for typical daily driving.
 Baja: Optimizes for high-speed off-road driving.

Steering
 Sport: Adjusts the steering effort and feel to a greater level.
 Street: Balances the steering feel and comfort.
 Rock: Provides the greatest steering feel and effort for improved control.

 

[bkilby]

Is there anywhere that explains the technical differences between the suspension selections? I figured there would be some on-screen explanation, but I’ve either missed it or this information is lacking. I also didn’t see much info in the user manual. It would be great to look at a chart that indicates compression, rebound, etc settings for each mode.

Is there anywhere that explains the technical differences between the suspension selections? I figured there would be some on-screen explanation, but I’ve either missed it or this information is lacking. I also didn’t see much info in the user manual. It would be great to look at a chart that indicates compression, rebound, etc settings for each mode.

Yeah, right on the screen. Tap where it says "Suspension" right above your selection. Same for steering, stability, trans and paddles.

 

[eltaco]

Yeah, right on the screen. Tap where it says "Suspension" right above your selection. Same for steering, stability, trans and paddles.

Thank you. I happened to find it yesterday. Unfortunately, those descriptions are extremely vague about what is different between settings.

Tow suspension mode says “optimized shifting for towing and handling”… have no idea how that relates to suspension settings.

 

[RamFan]

Coming from a 23 Raptor, seeing all the TRX videos and watching the RHO’s jumping, I expected the suspension to be more dialed in. In baja and street, my suspension bottomed out hard on a large speed hump that my Raptor went over smoothly. I took mine to the dealer and they said all is ok. Then I pulled in to my work where there is a dip and the front suspension bottomed out even harder. I can do the same dip in my explorer with no issue. The RHO is like a cadi in Street mode but in Baja it bounces like Uncle Bucks car. The only mode that seems to be dialed in is sport mode. Then I can the suspension firm up and take corners fairly flat

Seems strange. I’ve NEVER bottomed out on anything I’ve hit…and I’ll hit things just because….speed bumps? Ha! Never slow down for those anymore…nor really any road impediments…is the dip more like a drop off?

Chris

 

[MattH89]

Seems strange. I’ve NEVER bottomed out on anything I’ve hit…and I’ll hit things just because….speed bumps? Ha! Never slow down for those anymore…nor really any road impediments…is the dip more like a drop off?

Chris

There's one railroad track that even the RHO doesn't like by me. Everything else is an ant and I am the shoe.

 

[RAM-Ranch-MT]

My truck is bouncy after i hit a bump on pavement (similar to when struts go out in regular cars) but i have a front strut on order to replace the faulty factory one according to dealer. My whole adaptive suspension system is down and i cant switch suspension modes until they replace the front passenger strut and get it to stop throwing "service active dampening" code every time i turn on the truck. Overall still rides better than my raptor with the suspension in this state. Ive been hammering beat up dirt roads at 80+ mph and rides like a dream. so idk. Both the raptor and RHo have the same suspension travel and similar designs so really just apples to oranges. Fox vs bilstein. IF your truck doesnt ride similarly or better than a raptor then you have some bigger issue going on with your suspension. Should ride like a dream, especially at speed. As others have stated, the suspension is tuned for higher speed prerunning, not so much low speed rock crawling so the suspension will feel "bouncier" on low speed bumps.

 

[Attakracer]

Yes I found the best thing to do is set your custom mode or Auto mode to Sport suspension setting. Sport is really best suited for street roads (moreso than Street mode)

How do you change the suspension setting in the auto drive mode ?? I tried to do that and it wouldn't let me change anything in the mode. I figured I would have to just set up a whole "custom" mode with auto 7 sport mix !?!?!?!?

 

[Attakracer]

The TRX supplement has this to say. Not sure if there's a RHO supplement.

Selecting “Sport” on the touchscreen will activate the configuration for typical enthusiast driving. The Transmission, Stability Control, Steering, and Suspension systems are all set to their Sport settings highlighted in red. The paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: Sport Mode is not available if the transfer case is in 4WD LOW.

Selecting “Tow” on the touchscreen will activate the configuration for towing a trailer or hauling heavy loads in the cargo area. Once in this mode, trailer sway control is enabled in the Electronic Stability Control (ESC) system. The Transmission is set to Tow, Stability Control is set to Full, Steering is set to Street, and Suspension is set to Sport. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Snow” on the touchscreen will activate Snow Mode for use on loose traction surfaces. When in Snow Mode (depending on certain operating conditions), the transmission will shift earlier than in other modes, which will keep wheel torque low to minimize wheel slippage. The Transmission is set to Snow, Stability Control is set to Full, and Steering and Suspension are set to Street. Paddle shifters are defaulted to “On” but are configurable.

Auto Mode is enabled upon ignition ON while in 4WD AUTO or 4WD HIGH or by selecting “Auto” on the touchscreen. The Transmission, Stability Control, Suspension, and Steering are all set to Street. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Mud/Sand” on the touchscreen will activate Mud/Sand Mode for use on mud and sand-like conditions. Transmission is set to Sport, Stability is set to Sport, Suspension is set to Baja, and Steering is set to Rock. Paddle shifters are enabled.

Selecting “Rock” on the touchscreen will activate Rock Mode for use on rocky surfaces. Transmission and Stability are set to Sport. Steering it set to Rock. Suspension is set to Baja. Paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: The vehicle must be in 4WD LOW to access Rock Mode.

Selecting “Baja” on the touchscreen will activate Baja Mode for high-speed off-road driving. Transmission, Suspension, and Stability are set to Baja. Steering is set to Sport. Paddle shifters are enabled.
NOTE: Baja Mode is not available in 4WD LOW.

Custom Mode may be selected by pressing the Custom button on the touchscreen or by pushing the TRX button twice within two seconds. Custom
Mode allows you to create a custom configuration that is saved for quick selection of your favorite settings. While in Custom Mode, the Transmission, Paddles, Steering, Stability, and Suspension settings are shown in their current configuration. While on the Custom Mode screen, press the Custom Setup button on the touchscreen to access the set-up page options. Select which mode suits your driving needs for a custom driving experience.

Transmission
 Sport: Faster shift speeds with some comfort trade-off.
 Tow: Optimizes shifting for towing and hauling.
 Snow: Optimizes shifting for low-traction conditions.
 Street: A balance of shift speed and comfort for typical daily driving.
 Baja: Performs aggressive shifting for off-road performance.
 Rock: Optimized shifting for traversing rocky terrain.

Stability Control
 Sport: Provides reduced stability control.
 Street: Provides full (default) stability control.
 Full: Provides traction control and stability control optimized for slippery conditions.
 Baja: Optimizes the Anti-Brake System (ABS), traction control, and stability control for high-speed off-road driving.
 Rock: Optimizes traction control for low-speed off-road driving/crawling.

Suspension
 Sport: Provides a firmer suspension stiffness with moderate comfort trade-off.
 Street: Provides a balance of suspension stiffness and ride comfort for typical daily driving.
 Baja: Optimizes for high-speed off-road driving.

Steering
 Sport: Adjusts the steering effort and feel to a greater level.
 Street: Balances the steering feel and comfort.
 Rock: Provides the greatest steering feel and effort for improved control.

This is a great rundown, but do these different modes do anything to the engine ?? Like does baja give you worse gas milage than auto and such ???

 

[MtHillbilly]

if you just have your custom mode in baja suspension, it doesn't hurt your milage, but.. if you have the transmission in baja, it certainly holds a gear way longer (to keep turbo's spooled up), that does hurt milage.

 

[Eighty]

This is a great rundown, but do these different modes do anything to the engine ?? Like does baja give you worse gas milage than auto and such ???

The transmission settings will definitely affect mileage.

 

[eltaco]

How do you change the suspension setting in the auto drive mode ?? I tried to do that and it wouldn't let me change anything in the mode. I figured I would have to just set up a whole "custom" mode with auto 7 sport mix !?!?!?!?

That sounds like a problem. I can absolutely change my Auto mode suspension settings. I am restricted on some others (trans and stability), but suspension settings are all available.